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jjfanec		#61	[url]	[-]
Posts: 538 June 24, 2008 12:14 PM	I think LaPorta is more valuable than people understand. I dont think we should trade either Mat or Matt for a rental that is just my opinion. However, one thing to note is yes both Gamel and LaPorta are power hitters but LaPorta is on another level in the power department. LaPorta is hitting 1 HR every 13.6 AB, whereas Gamel is hitting 1 HR every 20 AB. That is over 10 more HR per year. That is not to take anything Gamel, who hits for better average, but LaPorta can straight up mash. Those two guys should only be traded for a guy who will be here for a couple years not a guy who will be here 2 or 3 months. I want to get to the Series as bad as the next guy but those two are guys I wouldn't trade. For all of those who say we should trade LaPorta because we have other guys like Gillespie, LaPorta is a potential all-star and Gillespie doesn't really seem like he is. It is not just having guys who play the same position but guys who hit where he hits. LaPorta is a slugger through and through and he keeps a nice average and OBP to go along with it. I guess I am just not willing to trade a potential Braun or Fielder for Sabbithia for three months. The only way I would trade either of those two is for a pitcher whom we could control for a couple years. But i am of the opinion of trading Prince this off-season which would allow both LaPorta and Gamel to play even if Gamel cant stick at 3rd
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Hate those Rodents		#62	[url]	[-]
Posts: 434 June 24, 2008 1:34 PM	Isn't it somewhat rare to trade a top two prospect even straight up for a rental like Sabathia? It seems rather foolish to me too, at least as we sit here on 6/24.
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jjfanec		#63	[url]	[-]
Posts: 539 June 24, 2008 1:45 PM	I don't think anyone thinks we would have to trade both of them. It is more who to trade if either of them since Cleveland will likely ask for one of the two. A quick clarifying point on my last response is while the positions LaPorta plays are ones we can fill a power bat like his is not. That is a much more concise version of what I said above.
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And That		#64	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6541 June 24, 2008 2:08 PM Hipster, CWFHA	I'm having a flashback to when right after Gallardo was injured, there were a number of people calling for a quick trade for a replacement for him. What this thread demonstrates to me is that a long, well thought out process about how (and if it is necessary) to replace Gallardo is indeed the best course of action. Your 2008 Milwaukee Brewers: Like watching a crocodile attack any catchable thing as opposed to a snake attacking a bird in the air.
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Klements Bratwurst		#65	[url]	[-]
Posts: 522 June 25, 2008 7:42 AM	Timestamp- Last night on WSSP 1250AM, Doug Melvin was on the post game show with Sparky and Tim at 9:40PM (after the Brewers 4-3 win against the Braves). Sparky and Tim talked with Melvin regarding whether or not he is working on any major trades or anything. He said he is making tons of calls, but most teams are not quite ready yet to throw in the towel. Basically said he is laying the groundwork, and some teams are close, but not quite ready to deal. Doug mentioned that he is looking for pitching specifically (old news) and what he would like to add is up to a #2 or #3 type pitcher to the rotation. He might also look for some bullpen help. Sparky asked Melvin if he was going to make a trade, and Melvin said, "Look at my track record. I make a trade every year." The last question that Sparky asked him was whether or not there is anyone in the farm system that is "untouchable". Melvin without mentioning names, said, yes there are a few untouchables. He felt that if he were to go after a "big" name, with only two months left on his contract, he wouldn't trade one of his untouchables that he controls for seven years for just 10 starts down the stretch. He said, he would do a "quantity" trade instead of one premiere prospect for a big name, possibly like C.C. Sabathia. Oh and of course, Ben Sheets is not going to be traded- (news event of the year). Happy Retirement #4. You've earned it! I guess if you add a Japanese player to your roster who has never played an inning of major league baseball, it means you have done the necessary things required to rid yourself of the curse of the goat.
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jjfanec		#66	[url]	[-]
Posts: 545 June 25, 2008 11:55 AM	Klements Bratwurst wrote: Timestamp- Last night on WSSP 1250AM, Doug Melvin was on the post game show with Sparky and Tim at 9:40PM (after the Brewers 4-3 win against the Braves). Sparky and Tim talked with Melvin regarding whether or not he is working on any major trades or anything. He said he is making tons of calls, but most teams are not quite ready yet to throw in the towel. Basically said he is laying the groundwork, and some teams are close, but not quite ready to deal. Doug mentioned that he is looking for pitching specifically (old news) and what he would like to add is up to a #2 or #3 type pitcher to the rotation. He might also look for some bullpen help. Sparky asked Melvin if he was going to make a trade, and Melvin said, "Look at my track record. I make a trade every year." The last question that Sparky asked him was whether or not there is anyone in the farm system that is "untouchable". Melvin without mentioning names, said, yes there are a few untouchables. He felt that if he were to go after a "big" name, with only two months left on his contract, he wouldn't trade one of his untouchables that he controls for seven years for just 10 starts down the stretch. He said, he would do a "quantity" trade instead of one premiere prospect for a big name, possibly like C.C. Sabathia. Oh and of course, Ben Sheets is not going to be traded- (news event of the year). That is really good to hear. I would assume Gamel, LaPorta, and maybe even Jeffress are untouchable (Jeffress more because his ceiling is so high and his value is probably low after the suspension). I like that he is looking for a 2/3 guy who would cost some players but not the big guns. It would be interesting to know what guys who are available fall in that level of pitchers
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splitterpfj		#67	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3472 June 25, 2008 12:19 PM Brewerfan.net Moderator	If the team is convinced that Jeffress is past his personal issue, then he needs to be untouchable. He's the best arm they've got above the rookie league right now. If you don't got Mojo Nixon, then your store could use some fixinnnnnnnnnn!
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endaround		#68	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12229 June 25, 2008 2:55 PM	Sounds like they are untouchable for Sabathia, which likely means no Sabathia, but that still leaves Greinke and Bedard.
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jjfanec		#69	[url]	[-]
Posts: 547 June 25, 2008 4:46 PM	endaround wrote: Sounds like they are untouchable for Sabathia, which likely means no Sabathia, but that still leaves Greinke and Bedard. I did not put that together at all. Melvin definitely did not rule out trading the "untouchables" for a guy he controlled more than 2 months. Have you seen anything to imply Greinke is available? I know there has been speculation here, but I was wondering if there was more to it. Greinke is the guy that intrigues me because he is young and putting it together. Bedard's current injury issues scare me right now.
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endaround		#70	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12230 June 25, 2008 4:59 PM	KC is supposedly shopping him. Of course this is coming from the same baseball "minds" that swore Sheets was available in the off season.
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sheetskout		#71	[url]	[-]
Posts: 44 June 25, 2008 6:09 PM	WUMP also is speculating trading Fielder for Sabathia assuming you are able to sign Sabathia.
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Hate those Rodents		#72	[url]	[-]
Posts: 436 June 25, 2008 6:10 PM	I like Doug's thought process and think we are deep enough to trade for instance Brad Nelson, Vinny Rottino, Cole Gillespie, David Welch, Luis Pena, and Taylor Green for Greinke. Would they do it?
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jjfanec		#73	[url]	[-]
Posts: 548 June 25, 2008 8:11 PM	sheetskout wrote: WUMP also is speculating trading Fielder for Sabathia assuming you are able to sign Sabathia. This trade makes no sense to me unless Sabithia signs for way less than what he says he wants. Why not just keep Sheets and Fielder. Fielder wont get his huge contract for a couple years. If the Brewers trade Fielder it would make sense to be for young pitching not a guy about to break the bank and who may not age well.
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wallus		#74	[url]	[-]
Posts: 335 June 25, 2008 10:52 PM	Hate those Rodents wrote: I like Doug's thought process and think we are deep enough to trade for instance Brad Nelson, Vinny Rottino, Cole Gillespie, David Welch, Luis Pena, and Taylor Green for Greinke. Would they do it? 6 non top prospects? No.
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danzig6767		#75	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5180 June 25, 2008 11:15 PM	endaround wrote: KC is supposedly shopping him. Of course this is coming from the same baseball "minds" that swore Sheets was available in the off season. If you look at the moves KC has made the last year or two, they seem to be trying to win sooner than later. My guess is if if they even considered trading Greinke, it wouldn't be for prospects, but would instead want something done with say a Fielder or Hart involved.
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TheCrew07		#76	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1572 June 26, 2008 12:43 AM	Klements Bratwurst wrote: The last question that Sparky asked him was whether or not there is anyone in the farm system that is "untouchable". Melvin without mentioning names, said, yes there are a few untouchables. He felt that if he were to go after a "big" name, with only two months left on his contract, he wouldn't trade one of his untouchables that he controls for seven years for just 10 starts down the stretch. He said, he would do a "quantity" trade instead of one premiere prospect for a big name, possibly like C.C. Sabathia I read that as we aren't trading our premium prospects for a rental, but he'd unload 3 2nd tier players for one, probably similar to the Linebrink deal. This is a relief to me, as I couldn't see trading 7 years of multiple possible impact players for 3 months of anyone. I'm glad Doug thinks the obvious players in LaPorta and Gamel are untouchable. I don't know where people are coming up with if not Sabathia then Bedard? A rental is a rental and Melvin was talking directly to the idea of picking up rental players... again I'm glad he feels the same way I do that if you're trading premium prospects you want control of the player for whom you're trading for more than just 2-3 months. If you're going after Greinke, why wouldn't you use Fielder and pickup Greinke + quality prospect? Same Same for Cain... I really like Prince, especially his offensive production, but he's obviously the player with the most value who's the least likely to sign a deal buying out a year of free agency. While you won't replace the production in his bat, you can get somewhat close and upgrade other areas of need, like a starting pitcher. Whomever would play first would just have to be able to consistently dig a ball out of the dirt and the entire infield defense would improve. The net result of a Fielder trade should be greater than his Offensive value (his defense has no value in my opinion), and that sort of deal makes quite a bit of sense to me. "You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation." - Plato "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." - Plato
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splitterpfj		#77	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3475 June 26, 2008 1:04 AM Brewerfan.net Moderator	I can't see KC wanting to deal for Prince, for the same reason that Milwaukee may be willing to deal him - Scott Boras will not let Prince sign a long-term deal in KC. I'd bet the Royals would rather get Hart, but I don't think the Brewers will be offering that. That team needs to get bats, I could envision them dealing Greinke for some of the Huntsville guys. As for Prince, that's likely to be a bigger market - my first thought is the Angels. The Angels have pitching depth, and they need a left-handed power hitter. I could see that organization dealing for Prince, and worrying about Boras later. If you don't got Mojo Nixon, then your store could use some fixinnnnnnnnnn!
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twobrewers		#78	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1690 June 26, 2008 6:31 AM	6 non top prospects? No. For the record, there is a very good chance at this time next year Taylor Green will be considered a very legitimate prospect. His numbers in A+ are fantastic.
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Brian the Automator		#79	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11194 June 26, 2008 6:54 AM President / Dir of Site Ops	wallus wrote: 6 non top prospects? No. Look what was traded for Johan Santana and Dan Haren ... Dunno, I think the days of the sellers gouging the buyers are ending. now i'm filled to the top with fear but it's all just a bunch of matter
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Invader3K		#80	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2833 June 26, 2008 7:06 AM	The Brewers are probably in a nice position where they have enough good but expendable type talent in their minors that a "quantity for quality" type trade could make a lot of sense and be quite do-able.
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