DeRosa to Cardinals for Chris Perez and PTBNL- Latest: PTBNL is AAA Closer Jess Todd

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JohnBriggs12		#61	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6200 June 28, 2009 6:57 AM	nate82 wrote: Ennder wrote: DeRosa is a nice little player but he does have his warts as well. He is below average defensively on the IF and has been very erratic as a hitter vs RHP. He has also faded a bit in the second half in each of his fulltime seasons which may or may not just be statistical noise but I could see it having some merit since he was a part timer so long. We already have DeRosa on the team and his name is McGehee. Nice try guys but I don't think this acquisition can be minimized. Cards filled a big hole here. They did give up bullpen depth though and that might haunt them later this year. Brewers need for DeRosa was certainly lessened by McGehee's performance. While the Brewers could use an extra bat, the critical need is in the rotation. I sure hope McGehee is DeRosa. DeRosa is adequate in the OF. McGehee's bat has to play somewhere next year and RF looks to me to be the most logical spot.
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JJHardy7		#62	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2390 June 28, 2009 7:15 AM	What pitcher do we have that's the most 'Perez like'? Any clue on who the PTBNL is? I have to imagine it's a decent prospect...or I'll be sad.
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bklynbrewcrew		#63	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1205 June 28, 2009 7:59 AM	This is a nice trade for the cards but we really didnt need DeRosa. We are in desperate need of a starting pitcher and if we dont get one we are not making the playoffs. Burns and McClung do not belong in any contenders rotations.
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Ennder		#64	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7930 June 28, 2009 7:59 AM	JJHardy7 wrote: What pitcher do we have that's the most 'Perez like'? Any clue on who the PTBNL is? I have to imagine it's a decent prospect...or I'll be sad. Stetter is the closest fit given service time.
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Ennder		#65	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7931 June 28, 2009 8:01 AM	brewcrewkid14 wrote: We already have DeRosa on the team and his name is McGehee. Post of the thread. I really see McGehee taking that type of track as a player, if he continues the way he's hitting, and this isn't all a fluke. Could be, McGehee has to prove it a bit more with the bat though. McGehee is probably a full win better than DeRosa defensively though so he doesn't have to hit as well as him to be as valuable as him. That isn't trying to 'minimize' it, it is just being realistic btw. You can't simply ignore defense when looking at players and it chips away at his value as long as they are playing him in the IF. Last Edited By: Ennder June 28, 2009 8:06 AM. Edited 1 time.
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mothershipconnection		#66	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8852 June 28, 2009 8:35 AM Brewerfan.net Moderator	Burns and McClung do not belong in any contenders rotations. One of them do, as economic reality means your #5 is gonna be weak, even for a playoff team. The problem is that we have too many weak starters, not simply that we have them. Dear Santa, All I want for Christmas is a reasonable free agent signing that isn't a relic of the steroid era or signed for too many years out of knee-jerk stupidity.
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MJLiverock		#67	[url]	[-]
Posts: 424 June 28, 2009 9:16 AM	It isn't really about if the Brewers already have McGehee, the Brewers need starting pitching. The Cardinals already have a better starting staff, they needed offense, and RH hitting offense at that. Their LH heavy lineup has been killed by LH pitching this year according to some Cards fans I hang out with. I haven't looked it up but getting a RH bat makes sense for them. Schumaker is also mentioned as being a complete hack at second base, I haven't watched enough Cards games to form an opinion on his play however. LaRussa could easily just fit DeRosa in wherever depending on the opposing pitcher and who is going to play OF that day. Is it doom for the Brewers? No, but it makes the Cards better and as I said in the trade rumors forum, there is no guarantee the Brewers players will heat up and all the guys on the Cubs and Cardinals will stay cold. I figured the Cards would make a deal for a hitter, there is a lot of noise in STL about not wasting Pujols' prime years and the team is right there in the division. And I remember the threads on here last year where some claimed Ludwick was as good as Braun. I would be surprised if Wallace is the PTBNL, but I know they have a catcher who is supposedly highly thought of and given LaRussa's love affair with Molina there probably isn't a lot of room for him in STL.
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Ennder		#68	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7932 June 28, 2009 9:22 AM	What does the team really need if you are being realistic? We are pretty much set at OF with 3 solid starters and 2 above replacement level backups. We are pretty much set in the bullpen I'd have to say. We aren't going to upgrade C for better or worse and we are set at SS and 1B. That leaves SP, 2B, 3B. Gamel, McGehee, Hall, Counsell give us enough options at 2B and 3B that it isn't a pressing need so I doubt we get a replacement unless someone gets hurt or maybe if we pick up a Durham type guy who is a FA. That leaves SP as our one hole that could realistically be upgraded. We have Gallardo and a bunch of #4 type starters with maybe a healthy Bush being a #3 (regardless of what you think a #5 is much worse than guys like Suppan in reality). So we need to trade for a real starting pitcher, not some chuckle head like Chuck James, Ian Snell, Jorge de la Rosa, Jon Garland etc who might end up being a downgrade over what we have. That is really the one glaring need on the team. That was the glaring need going into the season and it still is the need, a front line starter. I don't know if we are willing to pay the price for a player like that.
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splitterpfj		#69	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4118 June 28, 2009 9:38 AM Brewerfan.net Moderator	Good move for St Louis, but as others have said, the Brewers have options at 2B, the need for a pitcher is far greater. I do think the Brewers will trade for an arm, I do not think that arm will be a #1 or #2 starter. There just doesn't seem to be that guy available right now. It might have been Brandon Webb, but he's out, it might have been Jake Peavy, but he's out, it might have been Erik Bedard, but he's out, and Seattle isn't even out of the race right now. I just don't see that big guy out there to get at the moment. If you don't got Mojo Nixon, then your store could use some fixinnnnnnnnnn!
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MJLiverock		#70	[url]	[-]
Posts: 425 June 28, 2009 9:47 AM	Agree completely Ender. The asking price for any SP that is going to make a difference for this team is going to be high. There just aren't many of those guys available and there a number of teams that could use one. Now with Jeffress suspension the Brewers just lost a trade chip as well. The team may well be better off just taking their lumps this year and getting a better deal in the offseason rather than paying a lot for mediocrity that may still not be enough. Almost any trade for pitching is going to require or desire cheap pitching in return, something the Brewers just don't have available.
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brewcrewkid14		#71	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1185 June 28, 2009 11:12 AM	RF could be a spot, but I think that if the Brewers traded Fielder this off-season--I hate to even mention this possibility with the way he's played this year--they could keep McGehee at 3B and move Gamel over to 1B. I've always felt that Gamel would probably garner more defensive value at that corner of the infield than the one he is at right now. McGehee obviously won't keep up the pace he is on right now, but I think it'd be pretty reasonable to see him as a .280-.300 hitter with 15-20 HR pop over a full season. Many of the at bats he has had on his current tear have been legit in my opinion, not some fluke, lucky streak that all players experience every once in a while. ~Jason 4ever
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BrewCrewIn2004		#72	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9355 June 28, 2009 11:20 AM	brewcrewkid14 wrote: RF could be a spot, but I think that if the Brewers traded Fielder this off-season--I hate to even mention this possibility with the way he's played this year--they could keep McGehee at 3B and move Gamel over to 1B. I've always felt that Gamel would probably garner more defensive value at that corner of the infield than the one he is at right now. McGehee obviously won't keep up the pace he is on right now, but I think it'd be pretty reasonable to see him as a .280-.300 hitter with 15-20 HR pop over a full season. Many of the at bats he has had on his current tear have been legit in my opinion, not some fluke, lucky streak that all players experience every once in a while. I'm actually hoping they go the Braun route with Gamel and turn him to an OF this offseason and have him in RF next season and try to trade Hart. If McGehee continues to hit this season with his defense I would be fine with him playing 3B next season as the starter.
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JJHardy7		#73	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2395 June 28, 2009 11:35 AM	I'm actually hoping they go the Braun route with Gamel and turn him to an OF this offseason and have him in RF next season and try to trade Hart. If McGehee continues to hit this season with his defense I would be fine with him playing 3B next season as the starter. No way...Gamel hasn't done anything to be moved to the OF this year. Again, start him somewhere and we can talk about his stats. Having Casey next year he could be the super sub or replace Weeks. Having 15 - 20 HRs a year doesn't excite me. I also am going to wait a bit before I think Casey's numbers are all legit. I'm not saying he stinks, but I would his numbers will slow down a bit. Long-term I think he'd make a fine starting 2B.
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TooLiveBrew		#74	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10651 June 28, 2009 12:04 PM BF.net Jedi	To 'defend' my mention of Halladay, I guess I don't feel that the Blue Jays have the depth of talent to hang all season long with NYY & BOS. Further in my defense, this isn't just based on an ESPN force-feeding; I've actually watched quite a bit of all three teams play this season. Just my opinion though. I really see McGehee taking that type of track as a player, if he continues the way he's hitting, and this isn't all a fluke. I'm not sure what to make of McGehee in terms of sustainability. His BABIP is obscenely high right now (.378 on the season entering play on 6/28), but that's actually dropped almost 20 points over the last 3 weeks... a stretch in which Casey's OPS has been over 1.000! I think McGehee is a legit hitter, and you can just add him to the laundry list of moves Jim Hendry botched last offseason (technically it was still during the reg. season iirc). For DeRosa, I think this is a nice addition for the Cardinals since he can play all over. Right now I don't think they should worry about where he will play. They have a spot for him now, and his versatility will allow LaRussa to get him in the lineup a lot the rest of the way. Nice try guys... What do you think you're 'calling' them on, Briggs? Doesn't make any sense. McGehee's bat has to play somewhere next year and RF looks to me to be the most logical spot. I think it will be interesting to see who gets dealt next offseason for pitching. At this point though, the most likely candidate is Hardy, not Hart. He's my favorite Jew since Jesus -- davego on Ryan Braun It's about time you had that 'Hail to the Conquering Heroes' song played [at Wrigley] -- Tim McCarver, relating part of his chat with longtime minor leaguer & Cubs 3B Bobby Scales, a Michigan grad. UM's fight song is "Hail to the Victors" (5/30/09) ... Rickie's wrist tendons are so valuable, they have sheaths ... Last Edited By: TooLiveBrew June 28, 2009 12:08 PM. Edited 2 times.
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TooLiveBrew		#75	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10655 June 28, 2009 12:20 PM BF.net Jedi	SoCalBrewfan wrote: Seems to me I've read that Glaus won't be throwing well enough to play 3b for quite a while. It was even suggested that he might be traded to the AL to be a 1b/dh since presumably he will hit well enough to help a team...StL of course doesn't have much need at either position. Most recent I could find on Glaus was from the Disabled List Informer (6/25/09): Troy Glaus is progressing slowly as he recovers from shoulder surgery, but he is now taking batting practice and was recently cleared to resume a throwing program. Unless he is used as a bench/pinch hitting option, there seems to be no way he will be back soon for the Cardinals because he can only play third base. The Cardinals have shown interest recently in acquiring Adrian Beltre and Mark DeRosa - both third baseman - so this basically means that although they are hopeful that Glaus can return, they're not really sure he will be ready by the trade deadline. He's my favorite Jew since Jesus -- davego on Ryan Braun It's about time you had that 'Hail to the Conquering Heroes' song played [at Wrigley] -- Tim McCarver, relating part of his chat with longtime minor leaguer & Cubs 3B Bobby Scales, a Michigan grad. UM's fight song is "Hail to the Victors" (5/30/09) ... Rickie's wrist tendons are so valuable, they have sheaths ...
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LouisEly		#76	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2076 June 28, 2009 12:43 PM	The most hilarious thing is that both McGehee and Derosa were Cubs last year. Good move for the Cards. The obvious move is another starter, which at this point in the season they will have to overpay, but the one thing that the Brewers need as far as bats is a good OBP guy to hit leadoff, but I don't know what position that would entail upgrading. The top OBP guys not named Braun or Fielder are McGehee and Counsell; they seem to want to bat McGehee 5th now and Counsell can't be an everyday player. "The passion is raw... but the hot dogs are cooked!" - ESPN announcer at Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest "Somebody needed to shove a nice big Milwaukee's finest bratwurst into that dude's mouth. That, or a fist." Bill, a.k.a. "Batman", on Ronnie Woo-Woo's presence at Miller Park.
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endaround		#77	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13895 June 28, 2009 12:46 PM	The fanbase that should be livid over this isn't the Brewers' its the Mets who need a 2B and a bat to fill in at 1B.
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davego		#78	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3133 June 28, 2009 12:58 PM	I'm just guessing, but you could see both JJ and Hart being moved in the off-season. Nice to have Casey and Mat to cover 3rd and 2nd, espically if Rickie can't start the year 100%.
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TuesdaysWithRillo		#79	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2204 June 28, 2009 4:33 PM	According to fangraphs.com, DeRosa is +4.9 runs above average on offense after park and position adjustments and he is -3.1 runs below average on defense. He is 1.1 Wins above replacement, and I believe that is over a full season so the Cards gain a half of a win from this trade. Although it is a minor help for the Cards, don't count on it winning the division for them. The Cubs and Brewers are still the favorites in the NL Central in my opinion after 162 games.
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The Heartbreak Yid		#80	[url]	[-]
Posts: 45 June 28, 2009 4:57 PM	Bottom line is that while DeRosas the type of player who can help any team, hes not going to put anyone over the top. Now if the Cards end up with Holliday, then its time for us all, Cubs and Brewers alike to be afraid. very afraid.
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