In a dream offseason, what could Melvin realistically get with this $14 mil that could turn us into a playoff team? What are you hoping for?
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JJ Hardy to Twins for Carlos Gomez
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 Mr QL |
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Posts: 1132 November 6, 2009 3:23 PM |
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Fatter than Joey |
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Posts: 7640 November 6, 2009 3:24 PM Pure Yostian Hatred |
Some teams dump salary and then retool, some teams just dump salary
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Posts: 2433 November 6, 2009 3:26 PM |
endaround wrote:Get off the ledge people. JJ was a reserve the second part of last year. The only mistake Melvin made was not trading him at the deadline last year. Weeks was great last year while healthy. There is no reason to think he cannot continue that. He replaces Lopez. McGehee can hit, period. You could see that in Chicago. With a clean knee, he could even be better. Gomez may never hit 300. But I'm pretty sure Cameron won't anymore either. Sure, Cameron walked alot last year. With Hart, Hardy, Hall, Kendall, or Rivera behind him, he should never see good pitches. If Gomez bats eighth, he will learn to be patient. Now, if Hardy/Hart/Cameron/Kendall = Escobar/Kawakami/Gomez/Salome + a free agent starter with money saved, I'll be ecstatic.
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Fatter than Joey |
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Posts: 7641 November 6, 2009 3:29 PM Pure Yostian Hatred |
Gomez may never hit 300.
Gomez may never OBP .300 |
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Mr QL |
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Posts: 1133 November 6, 2009 3:29 PM |
Fatter than Joey wrote:That's a good point. Times are tough and (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think Attanasio is getting any richer. I think I remember hearing the team lost money this year.
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nate82 |
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Posts: 1680 November 6, 2009 3:30 PM |
endaround wrote:I believe Weeks can do what Lopez did and probably will improve on the numbers that Lopez put up. McGehee will probably be about average at 3B next year. I still believe the Brewers are going to be trading McGehee/Hart and not Gamel this off season unless Halladay or someone like him becomes available. The Brewers now have a lot of payroll flexibility to play with. Offensively the team will take a hit but it is not as much as the sky is falling crowd is claiming it will be. I believe Escobar and Gomez will improve on their OBP and it will be no worse than what Hardy and Cameron did for the Brewers. The Brewers can upgrade their OPS at the catchers spot by having Rivera behind the plate or signing Miguel Olivo or bringing up Salome or Lucroy. All of those options would drastically improve the OPS at the catcher spot. At worst you would be getting nearly the same production as last year. Replacing Kendall with a higher OPS catcher and replacing Cameron with Gomez would be a wash. You increase at one position and decrease at another. I don't believe Cameron would be a near .800 OPS player next year probably more along the lines of .760-.770. Which is still valuable but if the Brewers can upgrade at catcher and stay or improve defensively at CF it shouldn't be a problem. At worst Gomez will be like Kendall. I'm not going to call this a bad or a good trade until all of the information is available. That means when the off season is said and done with a lot of things can happen between now and February. There just is not enough information right now to say if this is a good or bad trade. 
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Weirdos19 |
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Posts: 2434 November 6, 2009 3:33 PM |
Fatter than Joey wrote: Could you at least quote my whole paragraph? The point is that Gomez led off much of his career in Minnesota. Would you walk him with Mauer, Morneau, and Cuddyer behind him?? Cam batted sixth with a bunch of .230 hitters behind him. Would you walk him? Cam also took more strike 3's down the middle than anyone in the history of baseball. Exagaration? A little.
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Fatter than Joey |
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Posts: 7642 November 6, 2009 3:45 PM Pure Yostian Hatred |
Would you walk him with Mauer, Morneau, and Cuddyer behind him??
I wouldn't walk Gomez if he was batting 8th |
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trwi7 |
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Posts: 10277 November 6, 2009 3:45 PM |
Melvin said he was talking with six or seven teams and was saying I need pitching or a CF. I'd really like to hear what pitchers he was offered, because I
have a hard time imagining the pitchers being offered being worse than Gomez.
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thebruce44 |
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Posts: 1461 November 6, 2009 3:52 PM |
In a dream offseason, what could Melvin realistically get with this $14 mil that could turn us into a playoff team? What are you hoping for?
I will bite with the caveat that DM is the GM is knows more about baseball than me or anyone else on this board and that I don't have time to look up exact salaries so I am just throwing some ideas out there. For step one, I would take on Harang's contract (11 mil?) and a live arm AAA bullpen guy for a medium level prospect. Step two could be a number of things. A Prince trade could bring in a young #2 with upside with enough financial flexibility to sign a stop gap 1b like Nick Johnson. Step two could also be one or two high risk, high reward SP types like a Mulder. The great thing right now is that Doug can go in a variety of directions depending on what is out there. He has moved from a position of trading weekness to strength because of the flexibility he just opened up. I am confident he will make wise moves with this flexibility, while most here seem to be on that ledge thinking the sky is falling and Doug is "destroying what Jack Z built."
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sheethead |
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Posts: 2282 November 6, 2009 3:54 PM |
In a dream offseason, what could Melvin realistically get with this $14 mil that could turn us into a playoff team? What are you hoping for?
An HD Scoreboard in CF. And better fireworks before the game and after wins (when the roof is open). And a crying room for Corey Hart for when he realizes he has no body to die his hair black with next year. Seriously, I assume Melvin is going to make a run at Mulder, Lackey, Washburn or Davis. The later two would not excite me. The former two would make me moderately satisfied. The bottom line is he traded our back up SS for a starting CFer with similar 2009 offensive stats. Hardly a call for crucifying the GM.
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nate82 |
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Posts: 1682 November 6, 2009 3:55 PM |
trwi7 wrote:I believe you can look at Guthrie, Arroyo, and Harang type of pitchers who all are near the amount of WAR that Gomez would provide you are the types that Hardy would have brought in. It would have been a wash to get any of those three compared to Gomez.
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trwi7 |
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Posts: 10279 November 6, 2009 3:58 PM |
I definitely would've taken Harang over Gomez.
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trwi7 |
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Posts: 10280 November 6, 2009 4:00 PM |
sheethead wrote: That's a little ridiculous since there is a huge debate as to whether Gomez should actually be starting or whether he should be in the minors or a 4th or 5th outfielder. |
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sheetswannabe |
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Posts: 3046 November 6, 2009 4:00 PM |
Bruce, that was beautiful. Perfect.
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nate82 |
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Posts: 1684 November 6, 2009 4:03 PM |
trwi7 wrote:You would then have lost Cameron which would have been worse. At least with this move the Brewers are able to add more salary to the team. I'm not calling this trade a winner or a loser until more information on how the rest of the off season will go.
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sheethead |
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Posts: 2284 November 6, 2009 4:04 PM |
That's a little ridiculous since there is a huge debate as to whether Gomez should actually be starting or whether he should be in the minors or a 4th
or 5th outfielder.
Debate it all you like, the bottom line is Gomez is going into camp as the starting CF. What he should be doing has nothing to do with the team, and everything to do with people's opinion. The sad part is that Carlos Gomez has haters in Milwaukee before he even slips into a Brewer uni.
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AKA augie 46 |
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Posts: 184 November 6, 2009 4:07 PM |
We just traded our back-up shortstop for a starting centerfielder, and that is a bad thing?
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thebruce44 |
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Posts: 1462 November 6, 2009 4:07 PM |
For those interested (I had a little more free time here at work) the Harang vs. Looper move would be about 2.75 more wins. I would expect whatever the next
move to be (young pitcher with some upside) to be 1.5 wins above Soup at least (he was -.7 last year). That would more than even out any offensive loss for Cam
and JJ, while giving up much more upside in the future. Again, just baseless speculation on my part to illustrate what could be done.
I definitely would've taken Harang over Gomez. trwi7, you missed the point of my post. Harang for JJ wasn't ever discussed as far as I know. I was simply using Harang as an example of a move that could now be made with the 14 mil that has been freed up since people seem to be missing that point as well.
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crewcrazy |
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Posts: 4370 November 6, 2009 4:10 PM Brewerfan.net Moderator
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Can't say I'm a huge fan of this trade, but perhaps Gomez will play a bit better if given the chance to play every day, as he claims in the latest
JSOnline blog post. It would've been nice to get a pitcher for Hardy, but it's early in the offseason, and it's not like Hardy did a lot to help
the Brewers get good value. I'm willing to wait to judge pitching additions as they come in, but as for this move, I can't say I'm a fan. Hopefully
he proves me wrong.
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