Brent Brewer seems to have quite a bit of upside, but his defense at SS is terrible. So far this year he has 8 errors in 12 games, enough to make Mat Gamel
look like a gold glover. Why hasn't he been switched to centerfield yet? It seems inevitable, and i would think it makes sense to do it as soon as
possible to get him the most experience possible. Any thoughts?
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Posts: 6598 April 14, 2008 4:38 PM BF.net Jedi
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Is the 8 E's in 12 games a small sampling, or do you feel it's indicative of his true talent?
I can't believe he's gone... -- Luke Skywalker, aboard the Millennium Falcon, clearly
meaning to refer to Brett Favre
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Posts: 144 April 14, 2008 7:12 PM |
Let's put it this way guys, at last nite's game after Brewer made yet another error, there were offers from a fan in the stands to purchase him a
ticket to Helena! He's looked good in a couple games, but it's almost like he tries to rush everything and just doesn't have the "knack"
of shortstop. At this level if he doesn't get it soon, perhaps a position change might be in order...there's too many chances up the middle to be
uncomfortable at the position.
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Posts: 2498 April 14, 2008 8:34 PM |
Teflon coated. |
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Posts: 124 April 15, 2008 10:14 PM |
I dont need to jump to the defense of all my guys but I think Mr. Brewer is going to be just fine at SS. I dont see CF as an org need and obviously his value
is maxed out at SS so why the overwhelming sense of urgency to waste a top prospect and bury him in the OF. Who the hell cares about winning games in the
minors. Its about player developement, not winning.
http://39ontheline.blogspot.com/ I think this is the first time an agent has ever done a blog. Enjoy.
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Posts: 286 April 15, 2008 10:27 PM |
yeah i don't see the openings coming in the outfield either necessarily. I think Braun and Hart are probably long-term players, then you have LaPorta,
Iribarren, Gwynn, and others still that will see playing time. Clearly Escobar is pushing for a starting spot and he will be tough to beat along with Hardy,
but I would think second or third are also viable options. Those are pretty weak positions for the organization right now.
But just look at the club and there is already 2 long-term locks in the outfield..then half our top 16 or so prospects are in the OF, with others like Gamel struggling in the field at third...
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Posts: 728 April 16, 2008 3:55 AM |
TooLiveBrew wrote: Even if he went another 20 games without an error to make it a "big sampling", it'd still look bad. Plus he had about 50 errors last year. And no, errors aren't always a true measure...but that can only work if you have very few errors, but you're not a good fielder. Having a lot of
errors always means you're not a good fielder.
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Posts: 729 April 16, 2008 4:04 AM |
agent39 wrote: Well, first off agent, with all due respect, I don't see the "overwhelming sense of urgency" to move him. There have been very few posts on
here actually suggesting that, must less urging it. I don't think there are a lot of people getting real worked up about his defensive play thus far
because they know how raw he is and what type of talent he is, however, it would seem to me that he's got a much better chance to make it as a athletic
Center Fielder who could potentially turn into a very good fielder out there in the Brewers organization rather than at SS with all the problems he's had
defensively coupled with what the Brewers currently have there(Hardy, Escobar, Perez).
And nobody's suggesting that they move him because the team's not winning. With respect, they're suggesting it because he's 56 errors in
his last 137 games.
From everything I've heard, he sounds almost like a BJ Upton type player, so it doesn't appear that his chances to make it depend on him being a
shortstop. And when I say Upton, I mean with his physical ability and what he could become.
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Posts: 347 April 16, 2008 12:20 PM Chris Berman's Apprentice |
He's still young, too, however, like Upton. I say we give young Brent another year and a half before we start asking him to change his position. As the
agent stated, his value is maximized as a shortstop, and he's only been focusing on shortstop (and baseball) full-time for the last two years.
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Posts: 1248 April 16, 2008 1:33 PM |
Well Braun's value was maximized at 3rd... and while I wanted him to stick there, I know why they moved him to the outfield. He'll get every
opportunity, but if he's an E machine later in his career, he'll get moved like everyone else with defensive issues.
"You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation."
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Posts: 146 April 16, 2008 1:55 PM |
Agent 39, my post about his errors was really just what I said. He doesn't appear that comfortable at short. He'll string a couple good games
together, and you think he is getting it, and then he just looks uncomfortable making routine plays. I hope SS is the place because he is a talented player
but even that, he's still got Alcides above him in the minors. I just think that moving him around some might make a little sense because he continues to
struggle with some routine plays. My post was actually indicative of the frustration of the fans here watching him in Charleston, to say that he is taking
flack from the crowd which I'm sure doesn't help matters for him! If he is comfortable at short, more power to him, and I hope he continues to get
better!
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Posts: 1363 April 16, 2008 4:11 PM |
Mr. Brewer is going to be just fine at SS. I dont see CF as an org need and obviously his value is maxed out at SS so why the overwhelming sense of urgency
to waste a top prospect and bury him in the OF. Who the hell cares about winning games in the minors. Its about player developement, not winning.
You're right, it is about developing a player. Thats why i think its better to move him sooner, rather than later. Does anyone here really think he is going to be a majorl eague shortstop? I doubt it. So why have him continue to play there. I understand it's your job to give him the best chance to succeed, but its in the teams best interest to put him in a spot they can actually play him. Shortstop is premium, but you can't just stick just anyone there, they have to be good at it. The Brewer's last season plus have shown how bad defense can ruin a season, and we don't seem to have all that many solid defenders in the minors. I'm sorry, I just think keeping someone at shortstop who can't handle it is a bad idea. Get him as much experience in the outfield as possible, or move him to second. As far as the outfield being crowded, yeah it is...now. But Brewer is at least 3 years away, and a lot can happen in 3 years. LaPorta may be at first base, Braun may be on the verge of leaving, Hart may be gone, Hall and Gwynn may be gone. 4 years ago we had Richie Sexson, Corey Hart, Brad Nelson and Prince Fielder all at first base. Minor league depth seems to work itself out. |
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Posts: 125 April 17, 2008 12:42 AM |
He has tremendous hands and athleticism and I dont see any reason to move him off SS and thankfully neither do the Brewers.
http://39ontheline.blogspot.com/ I think this is the first time an agent has ever done a blog. Enjoy.
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Posts: 1364 April 17, 2008 7:59 AM |
56 errors last season? 9 erros in 14 games this season? Thats not enough to think maybe shortstop isnt working out so well? Yes he is very athletic, but tell
me why that means he can't play centerfield. I realize you are his agent and you think the best way for him to get to the majors is at short, but his
defensive stats make Rickie Weeks and Mat Gamel look like good defenders, which of course they aren't. Do you honestly think he will make it to
the show sticking at shortstop? He may have the "ability" to play short, but if he doesnt improve he doenst improve.
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Posts: 126 April 17, 2008 9:47 AM |
Holy rush to judgment. He's freaking 20. Didnt Jeter make some 50 to 60 errors in the SAL when he was there. Why would the
brewers want to devalue a prospect? This has absolutely nothing to do with me it has to do with how to best utilize an investment and I think for what Brent
got he's going to stick at SS for a while.There is absolutely ZERO reason to move him to the OF especially when the following OF are in the
system.................... Cain Ford,Brantley,Irrabarren,Laporta,Gillespie, etc. etc here. Not exactly an org need. He'd be a total waste at 2b and I dont
see how moving him to 3b would help him either. He's going to live or die at shortstop and I dont foresee them moving Brent for a while. I think
there's a chance I may have some insight on this.
http://39ontheline.blogspot.com/ I think this is the first time an agent has ever done a blog. Enjoy.
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Posts: 1365 April 17, 2008 10:11 AM |
ok so the only way he can possibly have any value whatsoever in the organization is to have him play shortstop....got it. How is moving him to centerfield
devaluing him, and don't say because he'd be blocked. I already went over the "organizational need" quandry a few posts ago...in 3 years, the
depth might not be there. Look at how many first base prospects we had 3 years ago, and how many do we have now? and there isn't "zero" reason to
move him...when someone stuggles that much fielding their position, thats all the reason you need to move him. I'll ask again, are you willing to say you
think he will make it to the majors as a shortstop?
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Posts: 127 April 17, 2008 12:49 PM |
I will refrain from all sarcasm in this post but for whatever it's worth I think I know what I'm talking about.
http://39ontheline.blogspot.com/ I think this is the first time an agent has ever done a blog. Enjoy.
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Posts: 4272 April 17, 2008 1:39 PM Brewerfan.net Moderator |
First of all, please play nicely here.
The error count by itself is not really a good indicator of his eventual promise as a shortstop, and it's premature to state without qualification that he won't be a shortstop. Young infielders often make a lot of errors in the low minors, where fields and first basemen are often not quite up to major league standards. A guy with good range and a strong arm will often make lot of throwing errors, but it is possible to improve upon that with time and repetitions. As noted, Derek Jeter made 56 errors in the Sally league as a nineteen-year-old (1993). Omar Vizquel, eventually a multiple gold glove winner, made 24 errors in 60 games his first two seasons. Bill Hall made 38 errors in 65 games in rookie-league Ogden, then 40 errors in low A ball...he even made 41 in AAA. Eric Chavez, eventually a gold glover at 3b, made 32 errors in 118 games at age 19. Adrian Beltre, another GG, 37 errors in 121 games at age 18. That's not to say that Brewers can or cannot eventually be a major league shortstop...just that high error totals are not the sole determinant of fielding promise. Some scouts have suggested moving him to CF, apparently, but the Brewers still feel he can stick at short. That will play itself out over time, but there's really little sense of urgency at this point, when he's so young and far from the majors. Yes, Brewer has a lot to learn...but that's what the minors are for. |
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Posts: 128 April 17, 2008 2:07 PM |
SoCalBrewfan wrote:
http://39ontheline.blogspot.com/ I think this is the first time an agent has ever done a blog. Enjoy.
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Posts: 743 April 18, 2008 12:47 AM |
agent39 wrote: Agent, relax. We're not cursing the guy's family, we're questioning if he's better utilized and has a better future at shortstop or CF.
And yea, we've got several OF'ers in the minors, but we don't have a lot of CF'ers who project to be hit enough or are athletic enough to
play in the big leagues. LaPorta? Gillespie? They're not CF'ers. Brantley hasn't played much Center in the minors, so it stands to reason
he's not a viable CF prospect on a good big league team. Ford's not nearly the prospect that Brewer is, and Cain's also played mainly corner OF
though he could play center.
A lot of talented athletes come up as Shortstop's, but most who struggle defensively early on end up getting moved. Hell, Gary Sheffeild, Bobby Bonilla, Miquel Cabrera..a lot of guys come up as Shortstops as organizations hope they'll figure it out, but most who have that high a number of errors get moved eventually. I just don't see why you'd say that he'll "live or die" at shortstop? As though he's got no chance to make it anywhere else? And yes, we realize you're his agent and you speak with Brent and have a personal relationship with him, however that also tells us that you're not objective.The bottom line, 82 errors in 172 games is not a very encouraging sign and suggests that if he's going to live or die at Short, it doesn't look very good. That's not a rush to judgment, it doesn't mean that he's "wasted" anywhere else, or that none of us know what we're talking about by suggesting that he may not stick at shortstop like most scouts have suggested. It's just the reality of the situation when you've got a guy ahead of him in AA ball right now who would be a very, very good big league defensive shortstop right now in the big leagues, and the guy on the big league club is one of the more reliable shortstop's in the league. So while the numbers of prospect in CF may be higher, the quality most certainly is not. I think we all hope we're wrong. It'd be great to see him reach his offensive potential and use that great range and cannon at shortstop, but again, we just don't see it as being very likely. |
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Posts: 129 April 18, 2008 11:42 AM |
Gopher74 wrote:
http://39ontheline.blogspot.com/ I think this is the first time an agent has ever done a blog. Enjoy.
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