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slobberknocker	Sheets blurb in Sporting News		Lead	[-]
Posts: 707 June 5, 2008 5:52 PM	Tags : sheets In June 9 issue: "Hoping your team can get a blockbuster arm at the trading deadline this season? Don't count on it. Multiple sources say the two biggest upcoming free-agent pitchers - Indians LHP C.C. Sabathia and Brewers RHP Ben Sheets - won't be available this summer, even if extension talks go nowhere. Says one team executive: "It seems like both of those teams think they can re-sign those guys and don't need to make a trade under pressure." Dodgers RHP Derek Lowe, though, could be available." Last Edited By: support June 5, 2008 6:53 PM. Edited 2 times.
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rluzinski		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15169 June 5, 2008 6:01 PM	Said Brewers GM, Doug Melvin, "Honestly, I don't think we have any chance of resigning Sheets. When you also consider the Cubs great start, I'm feeling extreme pressure to trade Benny now or risk letting him go to another club this summer for nothing." It's impossible to separate the posturing from reality, IMO. Another Baseball Blog
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JoeHova		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5273 June 5, 2008 6:18 PM	I still think that if they can dump Suppan in the offseason, they can keep Sheets. Now, whether it would be smart for a team like the Brewers to take the risk of signing a guy like Sheets to a huge contract is another story. "God Save Donald Duck" - Ray Davies "I'm a lazy sod I'm a lazy sod I'm a lazy sod I'm so lazy" - Johnny Rotten
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DHonks		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10603 June 5, 2008 6:23 PM	The can keep Sheets no matter what. Increases in revenue (especially the TV ratings glitch), along with their bullpen having roughly $25 million in expiring contracts makes it quite possible
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lcbj68c		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 698 June 5, 2008 6:31 PM	We need to add one big arm and we are fine. I still want to see what Suppan can do in September and especially October. I dont understand why everybody is so down on him and eager to cut him. Sheets 12M Free-Agent (Sabathia?) 12M Gallardo 600,000 Suppan 8M Parra 400,000 That's pretty solid.
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trwi7		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6395 June 5, 2008 6:35 PM	lcbj68c wrote: Sheets 12M Free-Agent (Sabathia?) 12M Gallardo 600,000 Suppan 8M Parra 400,000 You might be able to get Sheets for $12M, more likely $14-16M though and Sabathia even more. Suppan's salary also rises to the $12M range. (pared back long quote --1992) Last Edited By: 1992casey June 5, 2008 7:09 PM. Edited 1 time.
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endaround		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12001 June 5, 2008 6:41 PM	Suppan's salary the next two years is 12.5 million and 14.5 million. And he's projected to give you the equivalent of a 4.80 ERA. That's why people are looking to move him.
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T B0NE 10		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 282 June 5, 2008 6:49 PM	rluzinski wrote: Said Brewers GM, Doug Melvin, "Honestly, I don't think we have any chance of resigning Sheets. When you also consider the Cubs great start, I'm feeling extreme pressure to trade Benny now or risk letting him go to another club this summer for nothing." It's impossible to separate the posturing from reality, IMO. Is that a quote? "There was a time, a time before a .500 record, when a local baseball player reigned supreme. When people believed everything they heard on TV. This was an age when only men were allowed to attend baseball games. And in Milwaukee, one baseball player was more man then the rest. His name was Russell Branyan. He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and a swing so fine it made Griffey Jr. look like a hobo. In other words, Russell Branyan was the balls." -crew2323
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uwisfan		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 507 June 5, 2008 6:54 PM	that should have been in blue im sure. Melvin would never say anything like that. Though I feel the Brewers will roll the dice and keep Sheets. Lose momentum with the fringe fans otherwise, plus you get comp picks in the draft.
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DonMoney4Mgr		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 29 June 5, 2008 6:59 PM	There was an article in hardball times about a pitcher's drop in velocity in relation to age. If it holds true, Sheets is now entering the age (29) where he loses 1 mph off his fastball each of the next 3 years. Forget about his propensity for injury, signing sheets even for four years would be a huge risk. He is still a two pitch pitcher, and if that fastball comes down to 90-91, how good will he be?
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TooLiveBrew		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7829 June 5, 2008 7:12 PM BF.net Jedi	Says one team executive: "It seems like both of those teams think they can re-sign those guys and don't need to make a trade under pressure." Why compensation picks still go unmentioned in this day & age is beyond me. I can't believe he's gone... -- Luke Skywalker, aboard the Millennium Falcon, clearly meaning to refer to Brett Favre 3/4/2008: The end of an era "It's been everything I thought it would be, and then some" -- Brett Favre, on his career
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TheCrew07		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1454 June 5, 2008 7:14 PM	I think the compensation system is broke anyway, though I'm not complaining with 4 extra picks this year. "You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation." - Plato "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." - Plato
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uwisfan		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 508 June 5, 2008 7:28 PM	I dont think so for the most part. It penalizes team for shelling out for top free agents. It helps. I like the new rules on getting a pick next year if you can't sign yours this year. That will help keep those players with huge demands in line to some degree.
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dadofandrew		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7414 June 5, 2008 7:34 PM	Suppan makes $10M+ per. The estimate I saw for Sheets was 3y/$55M, and I think that might be close, unless someone goes 4/75. CC or Ben for $12M? Maybe 3-5 years ago. --Visit Al's Ramblings...analysis and statistical folly since 2002.
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rluzinski		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15173 June 5, 2008 8:33 PM	I don't understand why these discussions always devolve into whether the Brewers COULD afford Sheets. I think it's easy to see how they could make the financial resources available if they want to. The real question, IMO, is whether they SHOULD spend the money it would take. I guess we first need to come to a consensus on what he would get on the open market. 4 years , $15 mil without question, right? More like 5/100? That's assuming he logs 200+ inning this year, of course. Another Baseball Blog
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TuesdaysWithRillo		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 866 June 5, 2008 8:39 PM	I don't understand why these discussions always devolve into whether the Brewers COULD afford Sheets. Exactly. There's no doubt with the Gagne money coming free and the good revenue stream coming in that we could afford Sheets. I think it's a no brainer to sign him even with the risk. You make your gambles on pitching and play it safe with hitting which is why I wouldn't spend the money on Prince and trade him for pitching.
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southpaw121505		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 265 June 5, 2008 8:41 PM	dadofandrew wrote: CC or Ben for $12M? Maybe 3-5 years ago. I was going to say. Am I missing something? I don't think there is any way either of those guys sign for 12 per
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Invader3K		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2738 June 5, 2008 9:04 PM	Maybe Sheets would sign for like six years at 12 million per year, but otherwise, no, he's more than likely to get around 15 million per year, easily, assuming he remains healthy.
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logan3825		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3133 June 5, 2008 9:52 PM	I don't think the Brewers would be willing to go much more than 3 years and almost certainly not more than 4. I don't think it matters what we could spend per year. I think another team will be willing to give Sheets at least one more year than we are willing to go. Remember, fan is short for fanatic. "Did you ever have occasion to do that." - Anderson "Absolutely I did... back in little league." - Schroeder
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steve267268		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1794 June 5, 2008 10:25 PM	2009 You put LaPorta in the outfield, move Hart to center. I don't know who plays right, Braun or LaPorta, whatever. Bye bye Mike Cameron. Savings: $7,000,000 This goes without saying, but, good bye Eric Gagne. Savings: $10,000,000 Trade Suppan for whoever you can get for him. Make the trade that saves us the most money regardless of who we get back. Even if we have to pay half his salary for the next two years: victory. Savings: $6,000,000 in '09 and 7,000,000 in '10 Craig Counsell is making 2.8 MIL. Enough said. Savings: $2,800,000 Bill Hall wants to be traded. Very well. Savings: $4,900,000 (possibly more) These moves free up just over $30 Million in 2009. Sign Ben Sheets Sign a veteran third baseman who can at the very least play defense and hit for average. Let a prospect fill Counsell's role and push Rickie and JJ for playing time. Get a solid reliever if the opportunity presents itself. You can do this and still have some cash left over. Even if you don't do everything, the one thing that you MUST do is swap Sheets for Suppan. I know that sounds funny but when Gallardo comes back that is essentially what you are doing. ________________________________________________________________________ Once #4 retires, the State of Wisconsin will belong to #15.
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TheCrew07		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1459 June 5, 2008 10:44 PM	Rluz nailed it, the team can afford Sheets, but is it money well spent considering Ben's skills will start to decline? The market for pitching is worse than hitting, I would agrue that Suppan's 12.5 mil next year isn't money well spent, but the market is what it is. Is Sheets worth 15 mil a year? Absolutely. Can the Brewers afford to pay any pitcher 15 per while he's on the DL? Absolutely not. Free agency isn't a good market for the Brewers, but free agent pitching especially isn't. If the Brewers don't resign Sheets then Melvin has all winter to move one of the young bats if the team needs to aquire more pitching. Like or not, the Brewers will always have to be value conscience in the current economic state of baseball, they do not have the money to throw around that the big market teams do... I don't like it at all, but that's just the way it is. You make your gambles on pitching and play it safe with hitting which is why I wouldn't spend the money on Prince and trade him for pitching. Playing it safe is signing a bat, they much less likely to suffer a career altering injury, the risky moves are free agent pitching. I think you meant signing Fielder involves more risk long term than Sheets? In general I think hitters are the much safer bet in free agency so I'm a bit confused. "You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation." - Plato "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." - Plato Last Edited By: TheCrew07 June 5, 2008 10:47 PM. Edited 1 time.
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