Sept. 1st call-ups? Latest: Ten Up including Gamel, Salome and Escobar (reply #127ish and after); Capuano to 60-day DL, Gardner DFA'd

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LouisEly	Sept. 1st call-ups? Latest: Ten Up including Gamel, Salome and Escobar (reply #127ish and after); Capuano to 60-day DL, Gardner DFA'd		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1700 July 11, 2008 12:52 AM	Tags : roster, transaction, formerbrewers, escobar, rottino, stetter, difelice, dillard, gamel, salome Definitely: DiFelice Dillard TGJ Iribarren Nelson Pena Rottino Probably: Escobar (perhaps not until Huntsville is finished) Narron/Nix/Stocker/Turnbow (38 currently on the 40, plus can 60-day DL Capuano and outright Gardner) Outside chance: Choate Hammond Gamel Last Edited By: support May 29, 2009 9:40 PM. Edited 16 times.
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dadofandrew	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7640 July 11, 2008 1:44 AM	Too many, at least for 9/1. 2-3 pitchers, a 3rd catcher, and a couple others, probably Stocker. 3-4 more as their seasons wind down. I don't know if they'd add Gamel or not...if they do, it could well be on 8/31... I can't imagine Turnbow unless he turns it around. --Visit Al's Ramblings...analysis and statistical folly since 2002.
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Kurt	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 653 July 11, 2008 1:55 AM	7 players does seem a bit much. It would be exciting to see Gamel do a little pinch hitting. Turnbow with his 9.19 ERA in 15.2 IP in AAA is close to being demoted to Single A. NIX is having a pretty good year in AAA and has the most MLB experience. I can see him being called up on 9/1.
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piccione88	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 104 July 11, 2008 2:03 AM	I cant see Stocker, since all he can do is run, Gwynn could fill that role, and actually swunt for a base hit. I have to imagine that Nelson is a lock, as well as Difelice, Dillard, and Gwynn as well. Beyond that Nix, Pena, and Iribarren could also get called up. I doubt that Gamel will be called up, I am sure the brewers want to wait until next year, when he is a regular to start his arbitration clock.
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OldSchoolSnapper	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 146 July 11, 2008 5:24 AM	If the Brewers are "going for it," it's tough to ignore Gamel's bat in September.
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BrewCrewIn2004	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7077 July 11, 2008 5:47 AM	I'd like to see Gamel get a taste this September. A nice look into the future. "Boom........outta here." My Brewers Blog
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razzzorsharp	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1638 July 11, 2008 5:50 AM	Those that I would love to see.... Gwynn (Speed) Gamel (Another LH bat) Nix (Defensive OF replacement) Escobar (Same as above) Rottino (So we can PH for the catcher) Nelson (LH pop off the bench) Pena (Another arm) Turnbow (Give him some more MLB experience in blowouts) DeFelice (Another arm) Dillard (Another arm) That's a lot of players but you only need one of Gwynn/Nix, Dillard/Defelice, and I am sure both Escobar/Gamel won't be called up. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Brasky once hosted the Grammys and gave every award to Corey Hart." Last Edited By: razzzorsharp July 11, 2008 12:34 PM. Edited 1 time.
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endaround	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12347 July 11, 2008 6:11 AM	Nelson hits left handed. Which makes Gamel really redundant. No real reason to add him to the 40 man so he can get maybe 5 ABs. The only one that's currently on the 40 man and who is healthy I don't see them bringing up is Cap'n Lou with Escobar a toss up.
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jwill535	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 768 July 11, 2008 6:56 AM	I would take Nix for his power and defense. Rottino is a given. Nelson would be a good bat off the bench and I agree he would eliminate the need to add Gamel to the 40. I would bring Stocker up instead of Gwynn for the late inning PR. As for pitchers it would be Choate(another LH), Pena if he isnt up here by that point and possibly a toss up between Dillard and Defelice. There is no way that Turnbow gets a sniff of the majors unless he has a miracle second half. Rollin' with Bob Saget
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ClosetBrewerFan	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 129 July 11, 2008 7:12 AM	Gamel has to be added to the 40 man at the end of the year anyways, to protect him from the Rule 5 draft. So I don't see that as a problem. But you're right about him and Nelson. They both would be just a LH bat off the bench. I'd say Dillard, DiFelice, TGJ, a LH power bat (see above) and a bC (either Rottino or Palmisano) are locks. The others are less likely. I'd be surprised if Stocker is called up. TGJ, Nix, and Iribarren can all fill his role (speed) and they can swing the bat a little. Remember, fans, Tuesday is Die Hard Night. Free admission for anyone who was actually alive the last time the Indians won the pennant.
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brewers4eric	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 306 July 11, 2008 7:23 AM	The Stocker call up was a surprise last year, but he fits the designated runner role very well. It reminded me of the days when Herb Washington played for the Oakland A's.
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1992casey	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8227 July 11, 2008 7:30 AM Usability Director	Gamel has to be added to the 40 man at the end of the year anyways, to protect him from the Rule 5 draft. So I don't see that as a problem. The potential problem would be cutting someone to make room for him. There'd certainly be options, but they may or may not be desirable. I think people also need to stop thinking that they have to "win arguments". The person who wins isn't always the one that re-phrases their argument the most... in fact quite often, the person that "wins the argument" is the one that agrees to disagree and politely exits the thread stage left. --Brian the Automator
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brwrsfan	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 323 July 11, 2008 7:33 AM	I have no issues with the Brewers bringing up Mel Stocker, he adds very good baserunning and speed to the team. Even with Gwynn, does it really hurt to have 2 PR's available at the end of the game? He's not much of a hitter, but he was 4-4 last year in SB's attempts, every one of which was of the PR variety. If we really have to have a steal, I'd much rather have him on the bases than Gwynn.
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Fatter than Joey	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6011 July 11, 2008 7:50 AM Pure Yostian Hatred	If the Brewers are "going for it," it's tough to ignore Gamel's bat in September. Barring injuries, I think the only call-ups you are going to see, are players that will help in later inning substitutions/double switches/pinch-hitting/etc.... This means a guy like Rottino who could catch should be called up, Stocker could be used to PR for Fielder/Rivera/Hardy, etc.. Nelson would be great (assuming some sort of pre-Sep. deal is not made), as a LH off the bench. Of course some pitching depth would be nice for the BP as well. Turnbow should be issued a restraining order not allowing him within 500 yards of Miller Park, as he has 37 BBs in 17 IP in Nashville. I don't think bringing up Gamel would be smart, he is still too rough to play 3b, and you certainly don't want him getting ABs at the expense of Prince/Braun/Hart. It doesn't seem sensible to start his arby clock, for a handful of PH ABs, where a guy like Brad Nelson could probably give you a similar result over 20 or so ABs. Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's new blog
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TauPentaRei	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 992 July 11, 2008 7:58 AM	brwrsfan wrote: I have no issues with the Brewers bringing up Mel Stocker, he adds very good baserunning and speed to the team. Even with Gwynn, does it really hurt to have 2 PR's available at the end of the game? ...he was 4-4 last year in SB's attempts, every one of which was of the PR variety. If we really have to have a steal, I'd much rather have him on the bases than Gwynn. yeah who's got the better head for base running? as stolen bases are about way more than speed. - the contact play from third - heck, missing a squeeze sign - reading a flare off the bat to break from second - sac bunting skills I simply can not imagine the 8th ring of hell wrathful eruption of Mt. St. Brewerfan if Stocker or Gwynn were to make a AAA blunder on the basepaths during a "must win" situation. It would make the Motastrada loathing look like Branyan love. Trust in the Kremblas tutelage, I suppose. Your 2008 Milwaukee Brewers: How will Ben Sheets disappoint us this year?
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ClosetBrewerFan	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 130 July 11, 2008 8:09 AM	The potential problem would be cutting someone to make room for him. There'd certainly be options, but they may or may not be desirable. There are two spots available on the 40 man right now. Two more could be opened up by transferring Capuano/Gallardo to the 60 man DL. Then there is Mota who I hope will be gone soon. That's five spots right there. You can also include Gardner who seems likely to be dropped at the end of the year. We don't know what all could happen over the next 7 weeks, but that seems like more than enough spots. Remember, fans, Tuesday is Die Hard Night. Free admission for anyone who was actually alive the last time the Indians won the pennant.
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1992casey	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8229 July 11, 2008 8:28 AM Usability Director	Things definitely look good now, but as you say, the next seven weeks will tell the story. I think people also need to stop thinking that they have to "win arguments". The person who wins isn't always the one that re-phrases their argument the most... in fact quite often, the person that "wins the argument" is the one that agrees to disagree and politely exits the thread stage left. --Brian the Automator
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SoCal Brew Crew Fan	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 450 July 11, 2008 9:47 AM	Wouldn't bringing Gamel & Escobar up start their service time clock? My guess is they want them under contract as long as possible. I bet they bring them along like they did with Braun last year. Maybe Gamel next year, but probably 2010...Escobar 2010 for sure. June 1 callups?
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dadofandrew	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7648 July 11, 2008 11:18 AM	A month of time is unlikely to matter to studs like Escobar and Gamel. --Visit Al's Ramblings...analysis and statistical folly since 2002.
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TooLiveBrew	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8479 July 11, 2008 12:10 PM BF.net Jedi	Wouldn't bringing Gamel & Escobar up start their service time clock? The clock only tracks MLB days, so once they were sent back down, the clock would stop. I doubt Gamel & Escobar will be called up, personally. I don't want to see them called up, even though they could probably help. For Escobar, right now Counsell works fine as the MIF whiz, and Craig is much more likely to carry a higher OBP. For Gamel, there's Nelson & Branyan as LH power sticks, and Iribarren as another LH stick. Nelson, TGJ/Stocker, DiFelice, Iribarren, Rottino & Pena can all help this team in specific roles (as opposed to Gamel/Esco just being ungodly talented). Beyond that, I'd have a hard time expecting any more. Don't forget that it costs $ to call each guy up, and for a team that's already teetering on the brink of being 'in the red', that cost may factor in. Teams rarely call up more than 5 or 6 guys, iirc. BTW, great topic, LouisEly. EDIT: Here's some tidbits from Keith Law, from the free part of an Insider article: "Roster expansion used to bring a slew of call-ups as teams filled their dugouts to the bursting point. But the altered economics of the game have limited call-ups for most clubs to bench players and extra relievers. A one-month call-up can cost about $66,000 in extra salary, plus another $3,000 in per diems, as well as extra insurance costs, travel costs and so on. Adding a player to the 40-man roster also makes him eligible for the new minor league minimum salary, which runs about $65,000 (compared to $12,000 or less for minor leaguers who have yet to be added to a 40-man roster or reach minor league free agency). Recall a half-dozen extra players, and it's easy to exceed a half-million dollars in added expenditures -- roughly a third-round pick's bonus or a relatively expensive signing in Latin America." A couple of older MLB.com articles on September callups by Jonathan Mayo: 8/30/2004 8/29/2006 "Sounded like Darth Vader" -- Bill Schroeder, on Trenni Kusnierek's garbled commentary (that sounded nothing like Darth Vader) 6/13/08 v. MIN Maddux was explaining pitching in English units.. and Gagne only understands Metric -- sgtcluels Last Edited By: TooLiveBrew July 11, 2008 12:16 PM. Edited 2 times.
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Madtown Bomber	Re: September 1st - who's up?	#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 294 July 11, 2008 12:31 PM	Gamel's arby clock doesn't really matter anymore this season as the Brewers are already past the 2 MLB Super 2 deadlines. It goes against service time but once you get to September it has no bearing on the arby clock. So that is why Gamel is being discussed so heavily. You would however have to add him on August 31st if you want him on the playoff roster dependent on whether you have a man go on the DL in September. Gamel is a likely canidate IF the Brewers do not trade for a left handed hitter for the bench by the August 31st deadline. Like said above Gamel will likely be added to the 40 man as soon as the season ends anyways to protect him from Rule 5. Gamel though is a likely canidate to be brought up because he is the best "pure" bat in the system. PLUS he is left handed. Somebody brought up Brad Nelson, and while a possibility, is less likely because you have a guy who compares in 3TO. It is a long time to the end of August and I think there will be guys in the system who won't even be in the organization come the end of August due to trades and such. If I am guessing I am saying: Luis Pena - July 31st Matt Gamel - August 31st Tony Gwynn Jr. - September 1st Mel Stocker - September 1st Vinny Rottino - September 1st maybe Mark DiFelice - September 1st
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