At the start of the year I was thinking Fielder would get in the $9M range. Just a bit below what Howard got. Fielder doesn't have an MVP or ROTY. Yes, I
know the awards are arbitrary and don't mean anything, but they do when it comes to salary. I thought the Brewers could get him for $8M and he would
probably ask for $10M+. Now, I would have to guess $7M max and probably less. I don't see much chance of this not going to arbitration unless Fielder
changes agents.
0 Kudo
How many millions has Fielder cost himself in the last month?
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Remember, fan is short for fanatic.
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Posts: 15881 September 9, 2008 12:05 PM |
Prince was always a terrible defender and gained some weight during the 06-07 offseason as well, but people largely ignored it because he hit 50 HRs and was an
offensive power last year. I don't imagine his weight is helping him but to say his recent struggles is so obviously a result of weight ignores the facts.
His weight is only one factor and has an unknown negative contribution to his ofensive and defensive performance.
And does the blame mob always have to find one guy to single out for every losing streak? It's so darn predictable. I'm sure you can find a number of underperforming players to blame if you felt so inclinded. I know it's not as emotionally satisfying to not have a single person to direct your frustrations at but at least try to remain objective? |
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And does the blame mob always have to find one guy to single out for every losing streak? It's so darn predictable. I'm sure you can find a number
of underperforming players to blame if you felt so inclinded. I know it's not as emotionally satisfying to not have a single person to direct your
frustrations at but at least try to remain objective?
I agree that there's more to blame than one person. I do think that certain players are held more accountable than others and Prince is a clean up hitter and the team needs him. If CC or Sheets struggles for awhile, there will be threads on that because we need them to perform at a high level in order to win ball games. |
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Posts: 349 September 9, 2008 12:14 PM |
rluzinski wrote: It seems to me that Ned, Gagne, Riske, and Prince are all getting blamed for the recent losing streak. This thread is specifically about Fielder, so people are obviously going to post things about him on here, but the majority of posts say things like "he's been a big part of the recent struggles", which is pretty accurate, and not things like "Fielder is the main reason we aren't going to the playoffs, etc" BTW, I agree 100% with how it is easier to blame one person, and also that this board (including myself) can get carried away with piling on somebody when he's in a slump. However, I think that right now people are doing a fairly good job in spreading the blame around for the recent crappy performances. Hopefully, we'll start playing playing better than we can have more threads about possible playoff scenarios 
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Posts: 869 September 9, 2008 12:21 PM |
LOOK HOW SKINNY HE WAS!!! Can anybody find good comparison pics? Say, 2006 vs 2008? Something where we can really see the difference? I'm just not so sure.
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His weight is only one factor and has an unknown negative contribution to his ofensive and defensive performance.
I think it points more to not doing everything possible to make sure he playing at his best than the specific issue of his weight. That is the part I am disappointed in. Coming out of high school he had a reputation of being overweight and he worked very hard to control his weight. If he is not doing the same now then I think it is a legitimate complaint. My personal opinion is things might have come a bit too easy for him early on and he got a bit lackadaisical in his preparations for the season. It's also why I think it's fair to criticize him now. I would have a lot more sympathy for him if I felt he did everything he could to make sure this sort of prolonged slump didn't happen. |
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Posts: 7707 September 9, 2008 1:25 PM |
Prince from May 2006:
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rluzinski wrote:Honestly the most surprising/disappointing aspect of this season for me has been the offense as a whole. The whole team was pretty awful for the first 6-8 weeks. Braun has been consistently good since then; Hardy kicked it in June and is arguably their best player right now; Cameron's offense showed up after the All Star break, about the time Hart disappeared. Fielder has been pretty consistent until these last 20 games; a somewhat disappointing but overall solid season. The team is 5th in the league in runs scored and 2nd in slugging. But they are 10th in batting average and 7th in obp. I didn't expect Braun and Fielder to repeat their numbers from 2007 necessarily, but I did expect the offense to be the team strength and much improved overall from last year. It's not. It's about the same; which makes me wonder if this is as good as the young core will get. There isn't an MVP caliber hitter on this team, which is pretty unusual for a team with the second best record in the league.
"We're the big-big-wowowow-look-how-far-i-can-hit-a-ball-moron-brewers. It's our identity".--
holybannana 7/31//08
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The Cubs don't have an MVP caliber hitter either. The Dodgers didn't until Manny went there. The DBacks didn't until Dunn showed up. The Angels
didn't get one until Texeria went there (Vlad of course is very good, but not MVP quality this season). The Rays don't have one.
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Posts: 862 September 9, 2008 2:11 PM |
But what those teams have are players that get productive outs rather then K's
Rollin' with Bob Saget
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I don't know if it's productive outs as much as most of the players have the same weakness. The low batting averages and OBP make them pretty one
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Posts: 1661 September 9, 2008 2:25 PM |
Prince from May 2006:
It's amazing how 'baggy' his uniform has gotten over the past few years. They should have Prince wear a uniform that actually fits and we can then really tell how much weight he's put on. I have to think that is slowing down his swing, but I guess that's rather subjective without having some bat speed numbers. |
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Posts: 75 September 9, 2008 2:36 PM |
I know that this a Prince arbitration post, but what do you think Corey and JJ can.expect. What do they ask for and what do you think the club will offer.Of
course this could be a mute point if one or both of them sign a long term deal before next year.
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Posts: 870 September 9, 2008 2:41 PM |
Thanks for the pics, Trwi7, but I still can't really see it. I was searching for pics myself, and I can't find them either, so you did a better job
than I did, but I still can't see it clearly enough to believe that he's gained a significant amount of weight in two years.
EDIT: Ooops. Now I see it. Ugly. No wonder... 2006: 
Aug, 2008: 
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Wouldn't a relatively easy calculation of bat speed be an easy way of determining if his bat has slowed from his weight or other factors. Of course you
probably need some equipment I don't have to accurately measure bat speed but one would think it could be easily done.
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The baggy uniform he's starting wearing the past year or two definitely doesn't help his look. If you catch a glimpse of Prince when the Brewers untuck
their shirts after a win, his jersey nearly falls down to his knees. He looks like a 6-year old playing dress-up in his dad's clothes.
"The way everyone is literally expecting a beaning, it sounds like Braun pointed directly into the Astros' dugout, yelled, 'That one's for
your Mom, Pence!' and then proceeded to throw his head back and laugh and pat his belly as he rounded the bases." -- SeriesFinale, 9/5/07
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Posts: 3633 September 9, 2008 3:02 PM |
tharts the big problem Prince has also cost the brewers in his possible trade Value.
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Posts: 7710 September 9, 2008 3:04 PM |
brewizard wrote:Wow, that's a huge difference. That's at least 20 pounds difference imo. This is really a horrible situation for the Brewers to be in. With the way he's trending, he could/should be a DH perhaps as early as next year. Problem is, other teams will know this and if he keeps up this .830 OPS stuff we're not going to get much value at all. So would it be best to go through arbitration this year and hope he rebounds next year to hopefully a .375/.525 guy or risk him putting up the numbers he has this year with the same terrible defense? |
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Posts: 3 September 9, 2008 3:05 PM |
http://www.gettyimages.co...p;phrase=prince%20fielder
hopefully that link works. 17 pages of Prince images from gettyimages.com Chronological order to boot. |
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Posts: 7711 September 9, 2008 3:14 PM |
senorjerm wrote: That's a great link and it definitely shows that he's gotten much bigger, even from last year to this year. |
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