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cheezscott |
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Just wondering with Rule 5 down the road, who everyone feels need to add to the 40 and who will be left exposed...thanks
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We'll be putting together our annual thread of listing which players are free to leave the organziation after this season if not added to the 40-man (Adam
Heether, all the "Erick Almonte-veteran types", etc.), and then we'll take a stab at who is eligible for Rule 5 as well, fairly soon.
That info should help spur discussion. I know we have some folks out there who really try to track this type of info even in advance of us, so if someone wishes to submit their current analysis in that regard within this thread, feel free.
Thank goodness Jason Kendall can handle a staff.
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mls4 |
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Can we at least finish the season before starting off-season topics? I know to some extent the season is over, and I like guessing ahead as much as anyone, but
this is 3 months in advance.
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ClosetBrewerFan |
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I'm sure I'm missing a few, but here is my list (P50 #'s in parenthesis). The Brewers have probably a dozen players on the 40 man that could be
released/DFA'd in the offseason to make room for these prospects. So I don't think that will be a real issue. It will be interesting to see who will
go and who will be added. The Brewers always surprise me every year. Last year's surprise add was Mark Rogers and that sure worked out for them. Maybe
Mike Jones or Adam Heether will be this year's surprise.
Rule 5 Draft Eligible Players Includes all players signed/drafted before 2006 and 2006 draftees who signed at age 19 or older.
Who I think we need to add (5):
Zack Braddock (#7) - AA Taylor Green (#8) - AA Lorenzo Cain (#9) - AA Chris Cody (#19) - AAA Josh Butler (#23) - AA
Top remaining unprotected players:
Amaury Rivas (#33) - A+ Brendan Katin (#43) - AAA Mike Jones - AA Adam Heether - AAA Mike McClendon - AA Nick Green - AA The rest:
AAA: Joe Koshansky, Sam Narron AA: Chuck Caufield, Robert Hinton, Josh Wahpepah, Dave Welch, Bo Wright A+: Chris Errecart, Mike Ramlow A-:Brock Kjeldgaard
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YoungGeezy |
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ClosetBrewerFan wrote:I'd agree with ours except I think Jones needs to be. He still has good upside and could help us out. If it came down to him and Cody I'd probably take Jones.
BrewCrewWS2008 seemed to be a little outdated so decided to change it up a bit
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Amaury Rivas is a definate. He's a better pitcher than Jones right now, just as he was when they were both in BC earlier this year.
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biedergb |
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I agree that Jones would have to be in the group, as he was a highly touted prospect, now back from injuries, and God-forbid-hopefully healthy. Plus he was
just promoted to AAA and would be a likely candidate to be selected in the Rule V draft. A guy like Rivas might be a better prospect, but is only at high-A,
and may not be on a team's radar screen to keep on their roster. Butler may make the list. But since Cody appears to have been passed over as a call-up so
far, he may not rank high in the organization's mind, and may be more expendable.
The key will be how many players are removed from the 40 man roster. Don't the 60-day DL guys not count toward the 40-man list during the season, but they do count in the offseason, right? |
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DHonks |
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I'd expect Rivas and Jones to be added, but not Cody. Heether I could go either way on, as I am currently content with Weeks, McGehee, Hardy, Escobar,
Lopez, Counsell, Iribarren, Gamel, etc for the 2b/3b/ss spots. I'd like to keep him, just not sure he's worth a 40-man spot given our depth.
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ClosetBrewerFan |
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I had Rivas and Jones on the bubble. It is very unlikely teams will try to stash a high A player on their roster for a year. It has been done before but
rarely. That is why the Brewers may try to sneak him through. Jones certainly could be added. I won't complain if they do.
I do not believe Axford needs to be protected. This is only his third professional season, but it depends on when he signed his first contract. The rules for this are overly complex so I won't attempt to guess. I agree though that if he is eligible for the draft, the Brewers need to protect him. I'd take him over a Chris Smith/Chase Wright any day.
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DHonks |
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closetbrewerfan, I believe Axford was released by another organization. Therefore he is elligible for free agency or the Rule V draft even if he re-signed
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Heether I could go either way on, as I am currently content with Weeks, McGehee, Hardy, Escobar, Lopez, Counsell, Iribarren, Gamel, etc for the 2b/3b/ss spots. I think I would drop Iribarren to make room for Heether. Heether is a better hitter and a more versatile defender.
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TheCrew07 |
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If we failed to protect pitching... projectable pitching like Rivas, I might have to give up my Brewer fan card because the organization is going in a
direction that I couldn't possibly and wouldn't want to understand.
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- Plato "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." - Plato |
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Hernan hits LH and can play CF, and is younger than Heether. No way I protect Adam instead of Hernan. The problem is, I think HI is out of options, so unless
he's on the 25 man next year, he's gone.
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Mass Haas |
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Following is a list of players who are free to leave the organization in mid-October when minor league free agency begins. These players and the Brewers
could agree to sign an additional one-year minor league deal to extend the relationship. Or the Brewers could add the player to the 40-man roster, thus
extending the "ownership" of the player.
Thank goodness Jason Kendall can handle a staff.
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Mass Haas |
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Remember --
Considering how many players are likely to be coming off the current 42-man roster (42 because of 60-day DL stints), having to add only four players should give the Brewers sufficient flexibility to maneuver without prematurely dropping a fringe 40-man roster player like Alex Periard or Omar Aguilar.
Thank goodness Jason Kendall can handle a staff.
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i dunno that green and cain are locks...those guys would probably kill a team if they had to be carried all season...if i was the brewers, i'd take that
chance and postpone running out of option years another year...cain especially looks like he might be up and down between the majors and aaa for a few season,s
so postponing those options might be a good call
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PrimeTime955 |
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pogokat wrote:A team could easily find a place for Lorenzo Cain as a 5th outfielder/pinch runner next season. He is a LOCK to be protected. Bring Back the Stein wrote:Badger Hockey Blog |
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I'm not suggesting neither will be protected but neither Green nor Cain are locks. I seriously doubt anyone would carry Green for a year and I doubt any
team would want to carry Cain for a year either even as a 5th outfielder. I don't think he is even close to being MLB ready. I'm much more happy if
the Brewers choose to protect pitchers instead.
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PrimeTime955 |
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jackalope02ca wrote: I guess you must have forgotten when we carried Enrique Cruz. Bring Back the Stein wrote:Badger Hockey Blog |
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endaround |
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And that ended up being a disaster. Cruz didn't play and the Brewers likely killed any chance of a career by keeping him from playing for a full year. Cain
would be going 2 season without playing fulltime, what value would te remaining player have after his season in MLB?
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My opinion is that Lo Cain, Green, and Rivas get protected. Melvin likes to leave a spot or 2 open for
waiver claims and there is always the chance of a Rule V pick again. Interesting decisions next year as Jeffress, Braddock, Casey Baron, Jon Lucroy,
Evan Anundsen, Brent Brewer, Eric Farris, and Wily Peralta (I'm about 95% sure Peralta is up next year) are eligible and would
need protection.
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